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Plato, if he wrote Hi. Whoever wrote this dialogue, Plato or another, would have us believe that it could be thought true by Hippias, though presumably not by Socrates, who would, on this view, be engaging in the same ironic games he indulges in else- where ; e. Some recent scholarship on this question has been influenced by Jaeger, who, after allowing for the possibility that some thinkers did in fact live lives of detachment, says my emphasis : "All stories that make the older philosophers conscious followers of the ideal of the 'theoretic life' either come directly from 1 E.
So too, according to Soreth see below, n. No stand need be taken in this note on the question of authorship. A survey of the controversy may be found in D. The most recent full treatment is H. This content downloaded from This is an oversimplification. Jaeger not only ignores the possible in- fluence of the comedies 5, but by passing over Rep.
By following Jaeger, Pohlenz can judge Hi. So too Snell8. Soreth allows Jaeger's argument to stand, and in order to argue for authen- ticity tries to distinguish between the theoretical life that Jaeger refers to and the apolitical life described by Socrates - a desperate distinction that fails to con- vince 9.
Gigon in his review of Soreth , although considering Hi. That is, even when young Plato could have convinced himself of the apolitical nature of the Wise Men's lives. To all of these views, as they pertain to Hi. He was, after all, in addition to being one of the Seven, the first of a 4 Jaeger, Ursprung und Kreislauf des philosophischen Lebensideal , SB Berlin, philos. I quote from the translation of R. Robinson, appendix 2 to Jaeger, Aristotle 2 Oxford, , p. This is why Socrates can call himself "the most political Athenian" Gorg 52 1 d ; cf.
Dodds' note ad loc. Similarly, according to Horneffer, op. SIDER long line of meteoroskopoi. It refrained from politics. Nor should we imagine that Hippias would believe this. That he is not very intelligent is amply illustrated in this dialogue as well as in the Hippias Minor and Protagoras , but facts, however undigested, are his specialty On another embassy, Hdt.
How and Wells, ad loc. I, ch. The earliest extant sour- ces are Hdt. I "The Political Poems". Our case for deletion is unaffected by d Socrates continuing his ironic treatment of Hippias , seeking progress in sophistry against progress in the arts, compares Bia This passage does not presuppose c. Department of the Classics, David Sider. Related Papers. By Kathryn Morgan.
By David Sider. Ferreira, D. By Rebecca LeMoine. The Seven Sages and Plato. Download pdf. Remember me on this computer. Enter the email address you signed up with and we'll email you a reset link. Need an account? Click here to sign up.
Hippias maior/Hippias minor (Palingenesia)
Sider David. Hippias, at the start of the dialogue, has just boasted that Elis constantly calls upon him to serve on embassies. Generally speaking, the views held fall in one or another of the following categories :. The author of the dialogue — perhaps an Academician and contemporary of Plato — thought that Bias and Pittacus abstained from political activities.